Tag: globe earth
(Audio Version at the bottom if you no like reading)
“I am a scientist and if I can’t back up a scientific fact with scripture, I question it’s validity” – Caroline Leaf
That quote just about sums it up. No matter what way you slice it, if you believe the Bible is the inspired Word of God, you will have to travel down this path with me because the Bible teaches a flat earth.
My position is simple in life these days. My default position is this:
- God is true
- All men are liars
Now that we have that out of the way, here is the expanded list:
- The Word of God is true
- The Bible is the Word of God
- The Bible describes the earth as geo-centric, not heliocentric
- The Bible talks about the world as being an enemy of God
- If the world is against God, then all of the worldly institutions that are in the business of teaching are also against God.
- Public education is ‘in the world’ (and it has also infiltrated the church, of course, and all of its institutions). Funny side note: it’s very funny to me that people complained when the Lord’s prayer was removed from school. I was more shocked it was ever there!
- The Bible teaches of a ‘great deception’ that will come at the end of the world where the whole world, and the weak Christians, will be deceived by the anti-christ in some kind of fraudulent (yet spectacular) world-wide show of pseudo-spirituality that looks somewhat divine.
And so that pretty much sums it up. I have no basis in the Bible to believe anything that comes from these institutions, other than directly observable evidence.
I also have every good reason under the sun to disbelieve every foundational believe system they use to teach anything that in any wise contradicts the solid Word of God. Some examples of these systems that I would question by default would be:
- geologic time measurements
- anything related to a heliocentric model of the earth
This does not mean that I would never believe these things, but it does mean that my default position is 100% disbelief and I will start my journey from that position.
The dialogue about the globe earth would therefore go like this:
A: The earth is round
ME: But the Bible describes the earth predominantly as flat-like so therefore I believe it’s flat until proven otherwise.
A: But what about the pictures of the round earth? that’s first hand evidence for you.
ME: I didn’t take those pictures, nor do I trust the institutions who did. All men are liars. It may be part of a great deception. NASA makes a lot of money to produce photos like those.
A: But what about my friend who went to space himself?
ME: I didn’t go with him. I don’t know your friend well. And where does earth end and where does space begin? And who decided that?
A: But scientists all believe the earth is round.
ME: All of these scientists came out of the same schools which all teach the same things about the world – much like how many theology students will come out of theology school with a bunch of knowledge about the Bible. Just because you are taught something doesn’t mean that it’s true. All men are liars.
A: But you can just take a telescope and look!
ME: Yes, and I have. The moon appears to be round with craters indeed. But I don’t believe a man has parked a 1960’s Volkswagen Beetle dressed up as a space ship on it. All men are liars.
And so the dialogue goes.
The problem is that I don’t have a lot of time to go and do a bunch of science. This leaves me in a position where I have to believe what is right for the amount of knowledge that I have, while slowly picking away at my own research.
As for me, I will believe God at His Word and I will enjoy the earth that way – in a child-like simplicity. I will look at the cosmos the same way that Abraham did and rejoice greatly in the beauty of God’s handiwork.
As the stars turn around this incredible stage called our life – all designed by a loving God for our enjoyment in whatever short few seconds we have left here.
In this I rejoice greatly and have much peace.
The Audio Version of this Post
Let us continue our journey towards truth – whether hard or easy.
Did Jesus clearly ‘know about time zones’ and ‘talk about time zones’? Let’s take a look at the Bible in Matthew 24:36-42 and Luke 17:33-36 (pasted at the bottom for your convenience):
The argument against the flat earth model with these scriptures is that Jesus is ‘clearly talking about time zones’ which therefore implies that Jesus knew about time zones and therefore was heliocentric in his cosmology (that was a partial joke). I believe this argument is very weak and assumes on scripture that isn’t there because Jesus did not say ‘time zones’ or refer to them at all. The bullet points of what he is saying in these scriptures are:
- some people will be in the middle of what they are doing (sleeping, working, whatever) when it happens
- it is a unified event at one point in time
- no one knows the day or the hour
- In Matthew it doesn’t specify daylight or dark hours but calls it ‘day’ which has both light and dark hours in a 24 hour day
- In Luke it specifies both day (Luke 17:30) and then a few verses later night (verse 34)
Instead of assuming that God is talking about a globe earth time zone it would be better to assume only what is written which is that the coming of Jesus will occur while people are going about their daily lives.
In addition, when these scriptures were presented to a few people unbiased on the helio/geocentric models) around me as ‘proof for a time zone globe earth’ they immediately said “Well how do they know that the women aren’t grinding at the mill on a night shift?”
The answer is ‘we don’t’ and ‘they could have been’.
Because Jesus isn’t focused on cosmology in these scriptures but instead warning us to be ready wherever we are and in the middle of whatever we are doing.
Plus, these scriptures work just fine on both a globe earth and a flat earth model. In the globe earth it’s a time zone but on the flat earth the sun has simply moved away so it’s dark on one part and light on the other.
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no [man], no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. 37 But as the days of Noe [were], so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 41 Two [women shall be] grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it. 34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two [men] in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. 35 Two [women] shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 36 Two [men] shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Psalm 19, as follows and noted in this summary article is a very tough scripture to read and hold onto a globe earth model:
Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun, Which [is] as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, [and] rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race. His going forth [is] from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof. (Psalm 19:4-6)
To begin the scripture we have a clear reference to the ‘end’ of the physical world. On a globe earth model, there are no ‘ends’ and you are supposed to be able to start at one point on the earth and complete a full circuit (circumnavigation). Since neither I, nor anyone I know, nor anyone they know has ever done this trip, I am unable to verify it first hand. Furthermore, it also requires faith that the globe earth map that we have been presented by popular sources, is in fact the truth. If you alter the map, you can alter your trips.
All I can be sure of, is that the Bible says here that the measuring line is able to reach the ‘ends of the world’ – a clear point of termination or a border/outskirt. Balls don’t have these.
The scriptures then go on to say that ‘in them’ He hath set a tabernacle for the sun. So, within the parameters of these borders of the earth, God has put in place a tent-like structure (“the heavens”?) in which the sun does its thing and moves. It seems that this tabernacle forms the limits to which the sun moves in. It does not say that it is flying through the limitless expanse of the vacuum of outer space, nor is there any reference to this that I can reasonably extract.
Next, the scriptures say:
Try as I might, but I am unable to interpret this scripture as anything other than:
- Heaven (the visible heavens) has an end/extremity
- The sun follows a circuit.
- The circuit mirrors the borders of the terminating edges of the heavens, or ends there and then loops back
- at some point during this circuit everything (that matters) is affected by the thermal heat
There are many videos out there about whether or not the earth is flat or a globe. If you are a Bible believer, then you have a double duty of looking at this topic because, after all, the Bible is a flat earth book. Perhaps you glazed over the scriptures when you read them and filed them with ‘poetry’ or ‘simplistic teachings of science to an archaic world’. In either case, if you love the truth, you need to take a long hard look at this topic because it is absolutely important.
The implications of not looking at this could be tragic for you.
I found this video to be one of the best videos because it goes over many of the scientific issues but also incorporates all the scriptures so you can start a crash course on what the Bible says about the topic.
As I continue down the journey for truth and explore the globe earth versus flat earth discussion (it’s important), I came across another eureka point.
There is a man who, with his own eyes, traveled so high into the sky that he was able to see something very interesting: the edge of the earth.
If this weren’t so long ago, and if this guy had some agenda, or if he didn’t go so high, or if he wasn’t such a validated scientist, I might not be so challenged. But he is. And his report of what he saw should make you stop in your tracks and consider.
Although there are more than one videos out there on this, I find this video to be the best because it is quite exhaustive and the narrator has an awesome accent.
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. – John 8:44
I used to ask questions in biology and geology classes in high school. I was shown the classic images about how we came from biological soup and ultimately evolved into humans.
Such imaginative stories!
But I had no other teachings about other theories. Nothing. I didn’t grow up with the creation story and I assumed that there was no chance that a public school would be allowed to teach lies because that would be unethical.
But I was wrong – very wrong.
A few years later someone explained the biblical story of creation which resonated so deeply in my soul as true that I could almost hear alarm bells ringing. However, I was already deeply mis-educated. I had already been brain-scummed (as opposed to brainwashed) with beefdirt (as opposed to hogwash) by the system. The two theories, neither of which have physical proof that can be put into a test tube, can co-exist. You cannot believe in one and believe the other. The creation explanation comes from a Book that says ‘every word in here is true’ so to believe that some story outside of the Book can explain our creation is impossible. Many well-meaning partial Bible believers have tried to mesh the two together only to be left with a watered down faith in the Book they claim to believe. They take the position that if something in the Bible doesn’t mesh with what they have been taught as truth in school that the Bible is an old piece of literature with a bit of poetry and room for interpretation. One gentleman, when I confronted him about his position of trying to believe both the Bible and evolution, proposed to me the idea that at the time of the Bible people were ‘more simple’ and so to teach these dense little archaic people about their origins, they had to ‘dumb it down a bit’. It had to be put into simple stories like the creation story in the Bible. You see, the people of that time were unable to understand ‘science’ and the very complicated idea that a monkey boy can become a human man if you just add enough zeros to the number of years it takes to do something like this…
Sorry, sometimes it just slips out…
The theory of evolution comes from unbelievers who say that we are meaningless dust floating in randomness heading nowhere fast and that God is just the by-product of humans evolving and becoming more self aware.
The two ideas are in stark contrast and cannot co-exist. But this makes sense because one is a lie and the other is true.
The truth will always resonate as true in your heart. But sometimes selfish forces will dominate our desire for truth. For example, you might be working for a big, stale operating system software company and someone approaches you and says “Your company is going down forever. They have failed to innovate. They are past the point of no return. They are doomed.” Deep in your heart, you know it’s true. You know all the competitors are better, cheaper, hipper, etc. But your job is so comfortable. Your life is so stable. You cannot believe this truth that the messenger is delivering. Your selfish voices of the flesh cry out against the truth and say “I will not believe it! If I do, I will have to change!” And you continue in your lie until you are ultimately faced with the thing you knew to be true when everyone gets their pink slips.
I recently posted this article that proposed the idea that the earth may in fact be flat. I was very intrigued by the reactions I would receive from people when I simply presented the idea. For a few months I was somewhat bothered by how people would begin (and usually end) the discussion with ridicule, but I am no longer bothered. In fact, I would be surprised if they did not react this way because most people are children of the father of lies – Satan. That’s right. I said it. I didn’t water it down. Most people are on the wide and easy path to eternal destruction. They refuse to follow the narrow path presented by Jesus which is the path of truth. Not that I have actually focused on this yet, but I don’t recall whether or not Jesus referenced the flat or globular earth in his earthly ministry, but if He did, it surely would have been rejected, because the recipients of His truth were of their father the devil and hated the truth. Think about it. He opened the blind eyes, healed the sick, cast out devils, raised the dead and to thank Him for these blessings in their community they tried to kill the guy he raised from the dead and then whipped him and stuck him on a cross to bleed to death.
People of the world hate the truth.
People of God love the truth.
There you have it. Simple.
Don’t be so frustrated any more when you find something that is true and people reject it. They have selfish reasons to reject it. They have much to lose in this world and by even considering most truths they are forced to take a long, hard look at their depleted and empty lives and feel the shakiness of the sandy foundation upon which they have built their lives.
The truth is painfully hard to bear. It always has been. It always will be.
And so it is via lies that Satan operates and keeps his children in full submission and obedience even unto death and eternal damnation. It is via strong lies that the anti-Christ will establish his throne in the earthly system as written in this letter to the saints (underline added):
Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth [will let], until he be taken out of the way. And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: [Even him], whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. (2 Thessalonians 2: 5-12)
Yep, suck it up buttercup. Not only can you have the lies that you already believe in, but God is going to throw you a little cherry on top to make sure that your insatiable love for lies is satisfied at the Lie Buffet with a big ol’ rich piece of tiramisu lie cake.
So what is this strong delusion? The Bible predicts in no secret language that a strong deception will be set up for truth-haters to consume as a spiritual nail in their coffin. So what is on the menu? What lies have been perpetrated throughout the earth on a global scale which are in clear contrast with the God of the Bible? I believe there are three major ones and the last one only recently did I discover:
- Globular earth
As I continue to do my due diligence on the round/flat earth discussionN (I’m fairly new), it would seem shocking to me if the flat earth were *not* true based just on the following fundamental reasons:
- Every observation from my senses say ‘it’s flat’
- The Bible says it’s flat and the focal point of God’s creation
- There is incredibly strong opposition to the very discussion of it (much like the Creation story)
All three of these ideas/lies work in synergy.
All three of these work diligently to erode faith in the written word of God.
Observe the symbiosis:
-You cannot have aliens without space, planets, galaxies, NASA, etc
-You cannot (easily) have space, without the globular, heliocentric earth model
-You cannot explain our existence without evolution (or aliens), if you believe in the current heliocentric floating-through-random-space model
If you believe the Biblical creation story:
-You cannot believe in aliens if you believe in the creation story (there is no mention of any other life but ours)
-You cannot believe that we are randomly floating through space because uncountable scriptures show that the earth is a flat circle with foundations at the centre of all creation, with the sun and moon in motion over the earth, and with humans at the centre of the drama.
-You cannot believe in evolution while believing in the God of the Bible because God said He created it all with seeds already in each type of creation – a total contrast from survival of the fittest concept
And so I begin the journey for truth.
I love the truth far too much to simply join the masses for the sake of comfort.
I would rather be lonely in truth then with many people in deception.
Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Light/Life.
Join me in my pursuit of truth.